Fitting a alarm on Swing?

so i have had my silverwing for about 2 months now, this is my second scooter. my first scooter was a cheep taotao 50 cc scooter that i modded the hell out of until the engine eventually blew i had a 2 way alarm system with remote ignition on that scooter and i want to install that same alarm i took out on my silverwing. i have removed it from the old scooter already but for that scooter it was a simple 9 pin all i none plug in module that was easy to install. but for this bike it looks like i will have to manually wire it myself. now i was reading some stuff on this very same site briefly on alarms and how it can cause issues with the existing ignition protection that swings have. i dont want to go to crazy with remote ignition but i just want the very basics to work. the alarm is a universal alarm that works with any bike or scooter and comes with the manual wiring kit is well but i dont know where these correspond with the wiring harness or computer of the bike.

power
horn control
turn signals control

here's the wiring diagram on the alarm

Why do you need an alarm on a SilverWing? Bottom line is they are old, now low value, scooter---probably nobody would want to steal them. Leave the electrics alone and get the enjoyment out of the SilverWing by riding it.

Well I live near a high crime area which is notable for stealing scooters and other motorcycles. I am also traveling across states to another high crime area. I'll just lose sleep over leaving my bike with only a mere cover over it outside on the city streets.

It is considered forum courtesy to introduce oneself first.

But what is “+ output”, “+ Start”, and “flameout”?

Still nobody is going to steal a Silverwing-----90,000 miles with them, 49 states travel, tells me so.

Cosmic_Jumper wrote:

It is considered forum courtesy to introduce oneself first.

But what is “+ output”, “+ Start”, and “flameout”?

Hi Tim.

+ output will be switched live

+ Start  presumably will be ignition feed

flameout ??????? easiest there would be to leave the wire bridged as it looks like cutting is optional.

As to wiring it into the approriate places on the scooter, indicators are optional & a few moments with a voltmeter/multimeter will soon identify what's what for the rest

There are plenty of motorcycle alarm systems available from disc locks, to electronic motion detectors that don't need to be wired into the ignition system.

Just what kind of theft are you worried about? Someone loading you scooter onto a pickup or trailer and taking off with it? A good chain and disk lock would make that a tough job for less than three or four thieves. The bike weighs around 475lbs so if the wheels won't turn it's going to be hard to load it into anything short of a wrecker that has a winch aboard. Disk locks are good because they aren't something one can remove with a bolt cutter. I've seen one that had a motion alarm. That ought to scare off a casual thief.

Put a master switch on you battery that you have to open the seat to get to. The putative thief wouldn't know where to start looking for a way to start it. Combine that with a disk lock and and a siren alarm and I don't think you'd lose the bike. All I've ever done is to set the parking brake which isn't very noticeable to the average thief, and lock the fork with the built in lock. A hunk of chain to anchor the bike to something pretty solid would make the scooter a difficult target.

Are you worried about someone with a truck and winch stealing it? Or is it more like a passing punk taking it.

I also agree that these machines aren't often stolen. Unless you live in Detroit or Chicago's worse sections I doubt you need to fear theft.

well im in west philly where according to the dozens of cop who pull me over that over 75% of the scooters you see are stolen. bikers are constantly harassed by cops here. why just last sunday a bike group almost ran smack into me because he was looking back trying to loose the cops. i do feel a bit at ease that the bike is way heavier then my old taotao scooter but im very paranoid. if its even the only thing i do is just hook this up to my battery alone then the motion sensor will work and my 2 way key fob will alarm for up to 2000ft.

Just lock the front wheel, or even better, the rear wheel with a heavy duty U-lock. Smallest one that will work, to limit pry attacks. Lift offs (via pick-up truck) are harder to prevent unless you put in a ground anchor. Im not a fan of messing with electrical systems for aftermarket alarms, especially for an additional auto-start, but to each their own. Some u-locks have alarms built in now.

XDM:copyright: wrote:

 bikers are constantly harassed by cops here. why just last sunday a bike group almost ran smack into me because he was looking back trying to loose the cops.  

Surely the reasonable thing to do is to stop for the police when instructed, NOT try to loose them. Haven't they learned yet that a motorbike can't travel faster than a police radio can broadcast, besides which if he was doing nothing wrong he has nothing to fear plus the more the police check on motorcycles the less likelyhood of people stealing them & getting away with it, which surely you must approve of given your fear of theft

I concur what XMD says: there is a problem here with large groups hooligan riders menacing the highways. Many, if not most, are riding stolen or unlicensed motos & scooters. It’s reminiscent of the Vietnam conflict. A flash mob of a dozen or two, riders will suddenly appear on a highway, thoroughfare or neighborhood, menacing traffic with an utter disregard of stop lights & intersections. Wheelies, weaving in & out of traffic etc. But as soon as the cops appear they fade into the landscape.

I'm amazed how these fools like to harass people in cars. My 4000lb car is going to win any collision with any motorcycle. Not only that I could probably take out several hostiles on bikes without disabling my car. Damage yes, but not immobilizing the car. It's always a surprise to me that a lot of these idiots don't get wiped out, at least enough of them to reconsider their evil ways.

It's bad enough that there's elderly drivers out there who really shouldn't be on the road because they're no longer 'a full shilling' as the old saying goes.

Now I've just read a post from one on here going on about how he could take out hostile bikers without disabling his car.

I have had my truck, car, home break-in, and items taken out of my outside freezer. I even had a Christmas Nativity scene with Mary, Joseph, and baby Jesus stollen from my front yard. I always installed alarms in all my vehicles including my two Swings. My 2013 Swing will sound for five seconds if it is disturbed, thirty seconds if tilted straight up. Auto starter disable if hot wired. This all works automatically with a proximity remote control (FOB). YES, I do sleep peacefully knowing my alarm is on. That the brake is on and the steering is locked.
BTW -- My home is also secured with an alarm. LOL!!!

Meldrew wrote:

It's bad enough that there's elderly drivers out there who really shouldn't be on the road because they're no longer 'a full shilling' as the old saying goes.

Now I've just read a post from one on here going on about how he could take out hostile bikers without disabling his car.

If you'd choose to read it like I meant it you'd know I was only pointing out the stupidity of these hooligans in threatening people on the highways in four wheel (or more) vehicles.

If you had done so you would notice I did not advocate running anyone over but merely was describe the foolishness of acting like a jackass in front of people who could if they chose or were afraid of the miscreants might attack them with their cars.

There is apparently a difference in the usage of American English from that of the British.

@Easyrider what alarm system did you pick for your silver wings and how did you go about wiring or installing it?

XDM:copyright: wrote:

@Easyrider what alarm system did you pick for your silver wings and how did you go about wiring or installing it?

I installed the Scorpio Motorcycle alarm. You get the basic hands free system, then you can add upgrades like hot wire protection, proximity sensor. The alarm automatically disarms when the remote is within five feet of the alarm control box. It automatically warms when you walk away. I didn't upgrade to the proximity sensor because I thought that it would annoy people walking next to my bike. I have not experienced any problems for the last five years.

exavid wrote:

There is apparently a difference in the usage of American English  from that of the British.

Yes, and the fact that you're speaking your version of English at all is the result of the British colonisation of the Americas. We'd been speaking ye olde English since medieval times.

Easyrider wrote:

XDM:copyright: wrote:

@Easyrider what alarm system did you pick for your silver wings and how did you go about wiring or installing it?

I installed the Scorpio Motorcycle alarm. You get the basic hands free system,  then you can add upgrades like hot wire protection,  proximity sensor. The alarm automatically disarms when the remote is within five feet of the alarm control box.  It automatically warms when you walk away. I didn't upgrade to the proximity sensor because I thought that it would annoy people walking next to my bike. I have not experienced any problems for the last five years.

And the ignition block doesn't interfere with Honda's own ignition block?

XDM:copyright: wrote:

And the ignition block doesn't interfere with Honda's own ignition block?

North American model Silverwings don’t have Honda’s HISS ignition security system.

Cosmic_Jumper wrote:

XDM:copyright: wrote:

And the ignition block doesn't interfere with Honda's own ignition block?

North American model Silverwings don’t have Honda’s HISS ignition security system.

Good to know actually. My key is a bit bended and I wanted to get 2 copies of my key because l got one key when I got this bike and didn't want to worry about reprogramming the key.

XDM:copyright: wrote:

Easyrider wrote:

XDM:copyright: wrote:

@Easyrider what alarm system did you pick for your silver wings and how did you go about wiring or installing it?

I installed the Scorpio Motorcycle alarm. You get the basic hands free system,  then you can add upgrades like hot wire protection,  proximity sensor. The alarm automatically disarms when the remote is within five feet of the alarm control box.  It automatically warms when you walk away. I didn't upgrade to the proximity sensor because I thought that it would annoy people walking next to my bike. I have not experienced any problems for the last five years.

And the ignition block doesn't interfere with Honda's own ignition block?

No it does not interfere with Honda's ignition in the US. The instructions were very clear. The bike will not start if the remote is away from the bike. Instead the alarm will sound.

I always was in doubt about the HISS light,
first I was checking if there was also HERSS light maybe an automatic adjuster to change something from a heavier male rider to a lighter female rider.
Then I thought nah, maybe it is a kind of snake alarm system what comes out and bites the unauthorized rider in the butt.
Then I downloaded a manual and found that is is just a simple proximity unlock like in every European car and bike has since al loooong time.

As to the front or rear lock they are easily to circumvent, just pick up the other end and drag it up the ramp (winch)
What I found more effective is to lock the center stand.
See here:
http://malaguti-spidermax.blogspot.com/2010/08/center-stand-anti-theft-device.html

I had a very similar system installed on my wing 4 years or so ago. Everything works except for the remote disconnect - it is when you kill a bike if someone tries to drive off with it. I think that is your flameout.
Start is what goes to positive on your push start button
Out is what goes to your starter relay

I am sorry I cannot check it as my bike is stored quit far away this year.

Basically the overall installation was pretty easy and I am not an electrician.

Cheers,
Mad

This article helped me a lot
https://www.instructables.com/id/Installing-a-SPY-5000-two-way-motorcycle-alarm-int/

The best thing for protecting your scoot is a good insurance policy. It's interesting that I've been to some pretty good rallies, have a goodly number of friends and acquaintances, but have never heard of any that had a scooter stolen. Not very many bikes either for that matter. It might be the fact that I've never lived (and shudder to think about) living in a big city. I don't know anyone who has added any theft prevention stuff to their bikes either. I always park my SW with the fork lock on and the parking brake set but that's because I had once bike moved so a car could take my parking spot.

I wouldn't agree that the best thing for protecting your scooter is a good insurance policy. A steering lock is just basic protection at best and if you happen to live in a high theft area, that is the bare minimum.

Insurance companies have a reputation of looking for ways to reduce payouts or invalidate your cover. If your scooter is stolen after it was secured by a good heavy chain and lock to a security post, you're a far better chance of getting a payout than if it was just left on the steering lock. I doubt if the parking brake fools anyone either.

Over here high theft areas are defined by your post/zip code. When you read about 'moped thieves' in London raiding high end jewellery stores, the scrotes are invariably on stolen scooters. Yamaha TMax's are a favourite for these raids.

Even if you had something ordinary like a white Honda PCX 125, insurance premiums are likely to be hefty as they're another thief magnet. They're used by hundreds of Deliveroo, Just East, Pizza Hut, Domino’s etc delivery riders all over the capital and other major cities.

My Forza is fitted with a Datatool tracker, it's just another level of security like micro dots. It won't stop the scooter been stolen but at least I'll get notifications and it's location.

The thieves could suspect it has a tracker fitted and take it to a lock up unit or park it up somewhere and keep their eye on it. If it hasn't been tracked and recovered within a few days, they're probably correct in thinking there's no tracker fitted and then do whatever bike thieves do to stolen scooters.

As for bike alarms, who really takes notice of any audible car or burglar alarms, or the security alarms in offices and stores. Unless the alarm is being monitored in a control room like my tracker, it's ignored as an alarm fault.

Mine has a basic alarm and chain locks also a lock fitted to the centre stand so once on cant be lifted off the stand they will not be expecting that one i use everything i have when doing my once yearly weekend run to london and brighton for the Ace cafe reunion weekend after all you dont want to be stranded down there 200 miles from home

i might just go buy a Scorpio alarm setup, its more expensive and less range but looks like no wire cutting.