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TimGM Scooter Rider
Number of posts : 3 Age : 67 Location : Felixstowe, UK Points : 1597 Registration date : 2020-07-14
| Subject: Fork seals: Should I be worried? Tue Jul 06, 2021 1:48 pm | |
| Hi All, It's been a while since my last - first! - post, but a year has passed since acquiring my 2006 SWing, so it's recently had the annual MoT test - a compulsory safety check for all vehicles in the UK. While it passed and is legal to ride for another year, an advisory note was added to the certificate: "Monitor and repair if necessary: shock absorber has a light misting of oil Nearside Front". I'm not a hands-on mechanic, simply doing the very basic oil, water and tyre checks, and I look to the local centre to keep my SWing safe for the road. Is this problem known to you experienced owners, and what's the outlook? I want my summer riding to be worry-free (don't we all). Thanks for any advice - safety is more important than expense. TimGM |
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sonuvabug Silver Wing Expert
Number of posts : 933 Location : Mid-Western Ontario Canada Points : 6199 Registration date : 2010-09-15
| Subject: Re: Fork seals: Should I be worried? Tue Jul 06, 2021 3:04 pm | |
| Personally, I certainly wouldn't worry about it especially if it is handling fine. Perhaps double back and ask the Tech that performed the Safety check to explain what he sees/saw .. and in their opinion, what the repercussions are. If the safety certificate says monitor, I read that as keep an eye on it in case it develops into a full blown seal leak that could lead to a serious shock failure.
My experience is most shock absorbers leave a slight film on the stem and perhaps this is what the Tech is referring to. If it really bothers you, have the front fork fluid replaced and install new seals. The ones on your machine are likely the originals and after 15 years, could be considered a needed maintenance item.
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Davetech Scooter Rider
Number of posts : 78 Age : 55 Location : Wiltshire, UK Points : 1680 Registration date : 2020-07-08
| Subject: Re: Fork seals: Should I be worried? Tue Jul 06, 2021 3:44 pm | |
| A few weeks ago, I had my 16,000 mile service (the big 'un) at a local Honda dealer, where they ticked a very long sheet to say everything else was fine except the rear tyre would need replacing in the "not too distant future" - they forgot to do the MOT though, so I had to book it in for the following week. So 6 miles later, it goes for its MOT and failed for rear tyre and a severely leaking shock absorber seal. Handling had been absolutely fine. To cut a longer story short - a written letter and visits to the manager got the seals replaced for just the cost of the parts and huge apologies from the area director. |
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AldusFran Super Scooter Rider
Number of posts : 210 Age : 78 Location : Tucson,AZ Points : 3688 Registration date : 2015-06-14
| Subject: Re: Fork seals: Should I be worried? Tue Jul 06, 2021 7:42 pm | |
| I've had three fork seals leakage on three of my bikes (two Silverwings and a Kawasaki Voyager. I stopped the leakage by using a liter plastic water bottle piece cut to form a small hook to clean between the fork tube and seal while adding a couple drops of Marvel Mystery oil and viola no more leaks. |
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oldwingguy Silver Wing Guru
Number of posts : 1935 Location : Hocking Hills U.S.A. Points : 5359 Registration date : 2016-01-29
| Subject: Re: Fork seals: Should I be worried? Tue Jul 06, 2021 7:48 pm | |
| One of the first things for any of my bikes is a set of gators, it still surprises me to this day how much crap they collect. The pair on my S'Wing attach by a Velcro strip, once a year they come off and get washed with my jean's. |
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steve_h80 Silver Wing Guru
Number of posts : 1037 Location : Teesdale, UK Points : 4231 Registration date : 2016-05-15
| Subject: Re: Fork seals: Should I be worried? Tue Jul 06, 2021 7:54 pm | |
| For what it's worth Tim I would get it booked in for a replacement oil seal ASAP, but it will be safe to ride in the interim. The seal won't get better on it's own and so at some stage you will have fork oil dribbling down the leg, and more scarily, onto the brake caliper. Replacing a fork seal isn't a complex or expensive job. |
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Meldrew Visiting Curmudgeon
Number of posts : 4218 Location : York, North Yorkshire, England UK Points : 9446 Registration date : 2010-11-16
| Subject: Re: Fork seals: Should I be worried? Tue Jul 06, 2021 8:41 pm | |
| I've had the same set of plastic fork protectors for the last 17 years and used them on four different maxi scooters, they cable/zip tie onto the fork legs. The occasional spray of rubber lubricant on the fork seals and that's it. |
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Loosemarbles Site Admin
Number of posts : 1607 Age : 63 Location : South East England Points : 4757 Registration date : 2016-10-01
| Subject: Re: Fork seals: Should I be worried? Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:02 pm | |
| Get the seals and dust caps replaced. I volleyed with this problem for a while. Tried the cheapies once and a month later the seals were weeping......so was I!
Put in new OEM seals and dust caps. Sorted. Do them as a pair. |
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Terry Smith Silver Wing Rider
Number of posts : 403 Age : 60 Location : Auckland, New Zealand Points : 2144 Registration date : 2020-03-11
| Subject: Re: Fork seals: Should I be worried? Tue Jul 06, 2021 11:05 pm | |
| There's some good advice above that I agree with.
Seals can start to weep when a bike is left unused for a period of time.
A piece of grit stuck in a seal will allow it to weep, and hooking that out can be done without disassembly, and that might fix the issue. You can prise the dust seal up to get better access.
Sometimes the seal is leaking because of rock damage to the fork tube, which leaves a slightly jagged edge that cuts the seal. If so you need to replace the seal and very lightly file the high spot down to prevent recurrence.
I have tried Pyramid branded seals and they weren't good, TourMax were great and looked to be the same as OEM. I agree doing both legs as a pair is a good idea, and a good time to look for and address any rock damage on both legs. |
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Midd Scooter Rider
Number of posts : 11 Location : North East england Points : 1264 Registration date : 2021-06-26
| Subject: Re: Fork seals: Should I be worried? Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:15 am | |
| My left hand seal is also weeping, so I ordered seals and dust cap from wemoto, it was also an advisory from Mot. Ive decided to change fork oil. Don't know what a garage charges for doing job. There is much info on how to tackle job on here, so I'm planning the job at the moment. Good luck.
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Cosmic_Jumper Site Admin
Number of posts : 4415 Age : 81 Location : damn near Philadelphia, PA Points : 10745 Registration date : 2009-06-12
| Subject: Re: Fork seals: Should I be worried? Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:20 pm | |
| - Terry Smith wrote:
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Sometimes the seal is leaking because of rock damage to the fork tube, which leaves a slightly jagged edge that cuts the seal. If so you need to replace the seal and very lightly file the high spot down to prevent recurrence. (Snip) Tip o’th’ Day: When you’re cleaning up that fork tube ding with a light file or emery cloth, do it perpendicular to the travel of the fork tube. Cleaning that ding in an up & down motion is going to introduce micro grooves in the fork tube which will encourage the seal to leak. |
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zrx212 Silver Wing Expert
Number of posts : 580 Age : 65 Location : Ocala, FL Points : 2024 Registration date : 2020-12-27
| Subject: Re: Fork seals: Should I be worried? Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:08 pm | |
| IMO the seal cleaning fixes are just a temporary solution to stop the leak and get you home, there's no way to determine how much fluid has been lost, your forks can get too soft, bottom out and affect handling. IME the SW forks work better with 15wt. oil and raising the fluid level 5-10mm, so any lost is detrimental. I have filed nicks with fine metal file and the polish area in a random pattern with various grade of steel wool. |
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TimGM Scooter Rider
Number of posts : 3 Age : 67 Location : Felixstowe, UK Points : 1597 Registration date : 2020-07-14
| Subject: Re: Fork seals: Should I be worried? Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:39 pm | |
| Thank y'all for your various levels of advice. While the SWing is still handling well, I'll hand it over shortly to the local centre for a job I can rely on. |
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