replace rear wheel a 14 "or 15"

a hello to the whole community ... I use an online translator .. I hope to make me understand ... wonder, there is the possibility of replacing the rear rim with a more powerful 14 "or 15"?
thanks

Short answer 'No'

Cheers,

More optimistic answer is: "Maybe".

Here is a link for a Taiwan scooter site that seems to indicate that Yamaha "T-Max" wheels will fit on a Silverwing.

Sorry, there is no text with this link, just photos

http://silverwing.xrea.jp/bbs_syasinkan/read.cgi?no=12

Tim

Why??

anyone who knows me whether it is possible to install a rear 15 "rim? 

Cosmic_Jumper wrote:

More optimistic answer is: "Maybe".

Here is a link for a Taiwan scooter site that seems to indicate that Yamaha "T-Max" wheels will fit on a Silverwing.

Sorry, there is no text with this link, just photos

Tim

where is the link

Oops!...my bad.

http://silverwing.xrea.jp/bbs_syasinkan/read.cgi?no=12

john grinsel wrote:

Why??

I agree with John.

FWIW, the diameter of the tire on the Burgman 650 (a "14 inch" tire - 160/60R-14) is 21.56". The diameter of the Silverwing's 13 inch 150/70R-13) is 21.27". So roughly a quarter inch difference in diameter - only 1/8" in radius! In other words, almost the same size!

The front is similar but even more so - Burgman 650's 120/70R-15 is 21.61" vs. the Silverwing's 120/80R-14 is 21.56" - so not even 1/16" difference in diamter, 1/32" in radius.

That's why I don't understand people who criticize the small wheels on the Silverwing but think the Burgman 650 is fine - the diameter of the tires end up being the same size, albeit the Silverwing has more rubber and the Burgman has more metal. But for a given pothole, it won't matter.

@ jmaslak...
yes it is true that there is little difference with the burgman .. but there is the possibility of putting the circle of t-max, which is 15 "... I think this gives more stability

also consider ride height, the stands---two different problems, side stand...too much lean....centerstand ...rear wheel maynot come off ground...also consider Honda's recommendation for tires...see sticker.....having owned both Silverwing 600 and Burgman 400 (2) NEW THEY WORK fine. SilverWing having the edge in handling (solid mount engine) Choice of non-maker recommended tires is great...some are pretty good...nice price.

When I had both a Burgman 650 and Silverwing parked side by side in my garage the tires on both looked about the same size. I can't see much advantage in increasing the side of the wheel or tire. Increasing the diameter would reduce the rpms at a given speed but reduce the acceleration.

for acceleration, just replace the rollers with the drive of the lightest ... installing a 15 "rim you can fit radial tires which currently does not seem Essene on the market for the measurement of the original sw t600

john grinsel wrote:

Why??

Answering a question with a question resolves NOTHING.

Neither does trying to resurrect a topic originally started in July three year ago when the OP that asked that question. He hasn't been active on here since then either, and in the meantime Mr Grinsel has been scouring Tennessee to find a decent meal a clean restroom.

Meldrew wrote:

Neither does trying to resurrect a topic originally started in July three year ago when the OP that asked that question. He hasn't been active on here since then either, and in the meantime Mr Grinsel has been scouring Tennessee to find a decent meal a clean restroom.  

Answered like a true Yorkshireman. Deep apologies for not realizing the topic was dead, as well as not realizing the OP was not active; and, for causing you unwarranted consternation, Mr. Meldrew.

However, it is a subject I am interested in and wanted to read serious replies.

And, I wish Mr. Grinsel success in finding what he is looking for
in Tennessee

I suppose its the Insurance companies who would not like to much of a change of wheel size.
I had thought about going to the Dark-Side on the back wheel ,just for the mileage on the Sumito ? tyre but it seems they are not available in the UK and I can't find an equivalent one . If anyone knows of one I'd be interested , not being a speed merchant the negatives of riding on one from what I have read don't worry me .But what bugs me is the mileage on bike tyres surely harder compounds would bw an advantage to the riders ,but its all about profits.
MadDog

Had nothing when I started and still got some left

MadDog wrote:

I suppose its the Insurance companies who would not like to much of a change of wheel size.
I had thought about going to the Dark-Side on the back wheel ,just for the mileage on the Sumito ? tyre but it seems they are not available in the UK and I can't find an equivalent one . If anyone knows of one I'd be interested , not being a speed merchant the negatives of riding on one from what I have read don't worry me .But what bugs me is the mileage on bike tyres surely harder compounds would bw an advantage to the riders ,but its all about profits.
MadDog

Had nothing when I started and still got some left

Yes, MadDog, it is, always has been, and always will be about money.

And, I suspect altering the tire size on the Silver Wing would be more trouble & money that it would be worth.

I had hoped to hear that Honda would upgrade or replace the S Wing with something a bit more motorcycle-like, e.g., 700cc engine, 15" or 16" front wheels, but still a step through machine. No dice it seems.

However, while I don't know where Whitley Bay is, I suspect you live in the U.K., and if so, can you not get a Honda Integra which has a 670cc engine and 17' wheels?

Wish they were available in the U.S.

MadDog wrote:

I suppose its the Insurance companies who would not like to much of a change of wheel size.
I had thought about going to the Dark-Side on the back wheel ,just for the mileage on the Sumito ? tyre but it seems they are not available in the UK and I can't find an equivalent one . If anyone knows of one I'd be interested , not being a speed merchant the negatives of riding on one from what I have read don't worry me .But what bugs me is the mileage on bike tyres surely harder compounds would bw an advantage to the riders ,but its all about profits.
MadDog

Had nothing when I started and still got some left

Tom G wrote:

Yes, MadDog, it is, always has been, and always will be about money.

And, I suspect altering the tire size on the Silver Wing would be more trouble & money that it would be worth.

For Meldrew & others:
First, not all members keep current consistently. In fact, most do not but there are a number of
more regular posters. So the comment about the OP not having posted in a long time is not really
being fair. In fact, I had signed up here, forgot that I had and after some time when I came back
had to explain why I did not post an intro message and why I had not posted any messages during
that long initial absence.

Secondly, it is a valid question to ask why the OP would want to use a taller wheel. When clarifying
a question one would be better able to give an appropriate and meaningful answer. But, it does seem
apparent that the OP does not know (according to info given by others here) that even when swapping
out the wheel for a taller one, that when using standard bike tires, the overall diameter would still be
about the same. However if the OP wanted a larger overall diameter, then simply using a car tire with
a larger diameter would get him there. However, I am not sure of availability of standard bike tires
that would get him get a larger diameter using bike rims of any particular size that would fit correctly
on the Silverwing. There might be problems beyond just a taller wheel fitting onto the Silverwing. The
matter of brake disk size and placement could be a concern and if ABS brake equipped, ABS pulser ring
size, fitment and sensor placement could also be problematic.

MadDog: Last I knew, car tyres on bikes in your country were/are forbidden.

For MadDog & others: Re bike tires; No, it's not about the money, never was. I explain that among a great
many other things about using a car tire on a scooter here:
http://mcdarksiders.forumotion.com/t7188-for-maxi-scooters-the-darkside-according-to-bandito2-part-1-2

This; from that message:
> Motorcycle tire manufacturers make the best tires they can for bikes and car tire
> manufacturers make the best tires they can for cars. There is no conspiracy of motorcycle
> tire manufacturers making tires that don't last just so that they can sell more bike tires
> to a captive market. It is the rounded profile design of bike tires and the way they are
> used that limits their usable lifetime. They could use an even harder tire compound to make
> them last longer, but in doing so, they would have less grip. They could make a bike tire
> that could last maybe near as long as a car tire and have it fit onto the bike rim as a
> motorcycle tire would......... but it likely would look an awful lot like a car tire. (wide
> center tread) And it would probably exhibit many of the same handling peculiarities of a car
> tire on a bike. The rounded profile of a bike tire that makes it so smooth and consistent in
> turns is the very thing that dooms it to a shorter life than a car tire.

BTW, car tire compound is softer than that used for bike tires. And comments on insurance and
warranties are in the message as well as explanations why car tires last longer than bike tires
even though they use a softer rubber.

And! it is not more trouble & money than it would be worth when altering the size (or type) of
tire for the rear on a Silverwing 600 bike. Generally speaking, car tires are less expensive than
bike tires and are already known to last far longer than bike tires. (there are reasons for that as
explained in "For Maxi-Scooters The DarkSide (according to bandito2) Part 1 & 2"

Swapping out the wheel for a taller one would not seem to give much, if any advantage and may
have some problems that may be more costly to resolve than it would be worth. But getting a
taller tire may be easier and less expensive to do.
As always, YMMV

I've never understood this obsession with the longevity of obscure brand car tyres used compared to the range of normal tyres developed for motorcycle/maxi scooter use. Especially as those car tyre fitted Silver Wings are put away after the so called 'riding season' just like the ones fitted with normal tyres.

I recently replaced both my Bridgestone Hoops with a set of Continental ContiMove 365 tyres. They're an unusual looking tyre because they're specifically designed for summer and winter use, a true all year round tyre. The tread pattern is vaguely reminiscent of a set of Michelin T66 tyres I had on a BMW R80 GS back in my biking days.

The ContiMoves have a part silica compound which in winter doesn't harden like conventional 'summer tyres' do, so they'll be grippier if I do have to ride on snow covered roads.  The tyres have far more drainage grooves and sipes for water dispersal than the Bridgestones, and visually the tread pattern is more like the tyres on our car than any motorcycle or scooter tyre I've used before.

I'll wager these ContiMove tyres look more "Darkside"   than any of the obscure car tyre brands used on the Silver Wing by the car tyre fetishists. They're not square shouldered like a car tyre and I have the matching front tyre too.

How long they'll last mileage wise I've no idea, my rear Bridgestone Hoop had just over 8000 miles on it and had developed a blister off centre where the carcass had partially delaminated allowing air in. It was squaring off too.

Very useful, thank you.

I favour Bridgestone Hoops - they feel 'right' to me - and in the past, fitting them to my X9500 suddenly gave me much greater confidence in the bike.

I hope to hear how you fare with the ContiMoves.