"Dark Side" Huh?

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Car tyre on a scooter (or motorcycle) why is it called "Dark Side"?

My two pence (nod across the pond) - It is merely a "Granfalloon" and an attempt to make it seem cooler than it would otherwise.

Granfalloon - see "Cat's Cradle" by Kurt Vonnegut for clarity.

bigbird wrote:

JeffR_ wrote:

We can put them up in a very small hotel room and lock the door until they come up with a compromise on this issue.

And Jeff wants to hide in the closet and observe.
Time for you to come out of the closet, Jeff

Terry,

If I could afford a closet I would come out of it. But with this Obama economy I'm not able to afford a closet. Hopefully when "Mitt" gets elected we will get back to the great Bush economy where I could probably afford 2 closets.

JeffR_ wrote:

If I could afford a closet I would come out of it.

Well Jeff, there's always your water closet.

JeffR_ wrote:

bigbird wrote:

JeffR_ wrote:

We can put them up in a very small hotel room and lock the door until they come up with a compromise on this issue.

And Jeff wants to hide in the closet and observe.
Time for you to come out of the closet, Jeff ;)

Terry,

If I could afford a closet I would come out of it. But with this Obama economy I'm not able to afford a closet. Hopefully when "Mitt" gets elected we will get back to the great Bush economy where I could probably afford 2 closets.

+1 Cant wait for the current administration to be history.
I feel sore from being run over with car tires by that fool.

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My BIL just put a Dark Side on his Goldwing. Everyone at the meetup was commenting on how much rubber met the blacktop with the biked on the side stand despite the square profile.

The sidewalls flex (32 psi), the tread dumps water in rain. He says handling so far feels the same.

Key is getting something that has the right bead match to the wheel. Get reviews from people who are using them on which ones work well.

Unless you change the wheel to car type, such at least EML in Holland used to do, for sidecar outfits, you will not find beads being same or compatable. MC beads/rims different, check SAE paper.

Really would be nice if car tire types could come up with performance comparisions on closed course, wet, accident avoidance like swerve......and then are tire OD same as stock?

Remember, I have recent experience car tire on bike-----with special RIM, for 2CV tire on rear, sidecar----bike almost unrideable solo and ancient experience HD 45 with 18" car tires----rode the bike 12 miles home and changed tires to proper mc tires, so it would go down road right.

I cannot see how anybody, will screw up fine handling, well developed bikes/scooters to maybe save a few bucks on tires....unless they don't know any better or lack the experience to know how bike should feel under all conditions.

I am with Dennis, goodby,these remarks are for KIDS.

pancho wrote:

I am with Dennis, goodby,these remarks are for KIDS.

Just because you don't see eye to eye with someone about a topic doesn't mean you have to pack up your tools and leave.

I think too many members are expecting too much from this or any other forum. It's an internet forum, for goodness sakes. You must take everything here you read with at least 1 grain of salt and you must be thick skinned at times. Otherwise, every Tom, Dick, and Larry, and even Bigbird and John Grinsel, will get under it if you let them.

john grinsel wrote:

Remember, I have experience with special RIM,

Apparently John likes special rimming.

bigbird wrote:

john grinsel wrote:

Remember, I have experience with special RIM,

Apparently John likes special rimming.

Not only that, he repeats that information every 25 days.

pancho wrote:

I am with Dennis, goodby,these remarks are for KIDS.

Pancho, the secret is when you see the work 'Dark Side' just ignore the thread, (unless extremely sadistic) and move on.

Don't leave. Just wait until a more interesting topic arises.

Dark Side will always be emotive to those who have it as an option. (In that I am glad I am a Brit and it doesn't become an option).

You bring up a good point Doug. I don't feel any particular need to advertise the fact that I use car tires on my cars and motorcycle tires on my bike. Or for that matter, the fact that I happen to like women rather than men. (yes, I know, I just did advertise it) But for some reason it seems like those who are doing things that are different from accepted norms or practices require some sort of affirmation of their actions. But really, when it gets down to it who gives a rats ass?? Just do your own thing and enjoy.

The Scootist wrote:

You bring up a good point Doug. I don't feel any particular need to advertise the fact that I use car tires on my cars and motorcycle tires on my bike. Or for that matter, the fact that I happen to like women rather than men. (yes, I know, I just did advertise it) But for some reason it seems like those who are doing things that are different from accepted norms or practices require some sort of affirmation of their actions. But really, when it gets down to it who gives a rats ass?? Just do your own thing and enjoy.

What I do here is share my experience of riding my Silverwing Scooter here on the forum. If I don't have experience on something, I don't share it.

Others are looking for the information. If you don't want the info.... move on to a topic that interests you.

If you happen to like guys or girls.... there is another completely different forum for that and I encourage you to visit those.

larryinseattle wrote:

If you happen to like guys or girls.... there is another completely different forum for that and I encourage you to visit those.

What if you happen to like guys AND girls, especially at the same time?

Would one need a special forum ?

The only problem i really have with "darkside" is the assumption from the darksiders that somehow, they exclusively know that the motorcycle tire industry is somehow a big scam, and that no-one really needs special tires. Its not just this forum, on the contrary, its calm here regarding the subject. Of the 6 moto forums i manage, there is a overwhelming impression that the 1 to 2% of riders that darkside, consider the remaining 99 to 98% to be deficient in their mental capacity. Read; (stupid suckers)

Baring a huge worldwide motorcycle industry conspiracy to outwit uncouth, negligibly intelligent motorcycle tire purchasers, which in some exclusive world, could exist, it seems the 1% is wrong in their thinking, and the 99% are right. Thats usually how things work out in human cultures.

Signed

One of the unwashed masses, in a irrelevant flyover state.

Not a professional tire User. Just a guy who got 20,000 miles out of a tire that still has another 3 or 4000 miles to go that cost $86 shipped to my door and the comparible Mt would be $170 and good for about 12,000 miles.

That is worth mentioning to others as I share my motorcycling experience.

Ride your own ride and make your own choices.

I just do not like being told that it is stupid or that I am being reckless with my life or the life of my passenger. I do not like being told that running a Ct will void my insurance.

I am never going to pressure someone to try this. Do your own homework.

There are many who thought negative about it who are now running them and say "what is the big deal?"

Lets talk REAL darkside, why mess around with piddly 155's

This is for fun and info---I wonder if any of the car tire lovers (most I think low experience riders) were riding when MZ 2 strokes from DDR came with Pneumant tires? They would run at least 20,000 miles solo on rear, handled well in dry, little slippery on wet block pavement, lasted, too on sidecar outfit, and were real motorcycle tires and cheap. And Harley with GoodYear or Firestone---Firestone on my '48 125, never wore out, K models and early Sportsters had same I believe. Goodyear on my '69 big twin could get away from you at 25mph in wet, if you weren't paying attention----but they like Firestone lasted a long time. Bikes used to be made easy to change tires (and scooter, too) my new '66 HD sidecar outfit, not only had interchangeable wheels, but hinge on rear fender to easy getting wheel out---so did BMW's. I really liked 2 stroke Vespas that came with spare and of course wheels interchanged you could go lone time before buying a tire, keeping the bald one as spare.------much as I like old times----modern motorcycle tires/softer compound can save your bacon in wet. Just wish wheels were easier to change, but modern riders let somebody else do the work.......just as they don't ride in rain.

john grinsel wrote:

This is for fun and info---I wonder if any of the car tire lovers (most I think low experience riders) were riding when MZ 2 strokes from DDR came with Pneumant tires? They would run at least 20,000 miles solo on rear, handled well in dry, little slippery on wet block pavement, lasted, too on sidecar outfit, and were real motorcycle tires and cheap. And Harley with GoodYear or Firestone---Firestone on my '48 125, never wore out, K models and early Sportsters had same I believe. Goodyear on my '69 big twin could get away from you at 25mph in wet, if you weren't paying attention----but they like Firestone lasted a long time. Bikes used to be made easy to change tires (and scooter, too) my new '66 HD sidecar outfit, not only had interchangeable wheels, but hinge on rear fender to easy getting wheel out---so did BMW's. I really liked 2 stroke Vespas that came with spare and of course wheels interchanged you could go lone time before buying a tire, keeping the bald one as spare.------much as I like old times----modern motorcycle tires/softer compound can save your bacon in wet. Just wish wheels were easier to change, but modern riders let somebody else do the work.......just as they don't ride in rain.

John,

I have had 30 motorcycles and have ridden for 40 years.

KurtPerthWA wrote:

Lets talk REAL darkside, why mess around with piddly 155's

Might as well have the 4th wheel, windows and air conditioning.

Nice thread pattern.

tinman wrote:

Nice thread pattern.

Yeah, these thread patterns about dark side are great.
But what about the TREAD pattern of that tire?

This one's for you Larry

Goog one LOL :lol!:

KurtPerthWA wrote:

This one's for you Larry

If I am buying..... I want the air conditioning too. :lol!:

Never argue with those who through IGNORANCE RIDICULE YOUR OPINION !!!!! :lol!:

pancho wrote:

I am with Dennis, goodby,these remarks are for KIDS.

So, you didn't go then?

Meldrew wrote:

pancho wrote:

I am with Dennis, goodby,these remarks are for KIDS.

So, you didn't go then?

Now I am,had to spank the CHILDREN before I did. God Bless all.

pancho wrote:

God Bless all.

What did you have for the Last Supper?
Chicken Fried Steak?

I used to only come to this forum to learn about the Silverwing. Now I also come for the entertainment. It's good to know that I'm not the only one who has chosen not to grow up.
It is sad though that some run away when they don't like the game. If I don't like the game I just stop playing and come back for the next one if I like it.

I don't believe that anyone who leaves here in a hissy fit goes anywhere but offline, they'll still be out there looking at the topics and probably wishing they hadn't left. A certain former member and nice guy from Oklahoma who made my sat nav mount comes to mind. Because if you're interested in the Silver Wing there's really nowhere else to go is there? You could join that other Silver Wing forum but there's not a lot going on there, so that leaves general maxi scooter forums, or you could seek asylum on bigbirds Silver Wing tech forum!

model28a wrote:

I used to only come to this forum to learn about the Silverwing. Now I also come for the entertainment. It's good to know that I'm not the only one who has chosen not to grow up.

Couldn't agree more - we get the best of both worlds here, info and insult!! Bring it on!!

Slightly off topic, my team leader at work tried to instigate a ruling that if we were in our rest area, and we were taking the p*ss out of each other, (believe me, we do!!) if a "third party" came into the room, we should stop the banter, in case the "third party" felt insulted!? The next time he came in, he was met with total silence. When he asked why, and we pointed out his ruling, he said "That's taking it too far"!
Well, we didn't want him to feel insulted, did we!!

What exactly got him mad?

Chicken Fried Steak, he went beserk when he found out it was really beef!

JeffR_ wrote:

What exactly got him mad?

It was the fact that he heard Grinsel rides with no underwear on hot summer days.

That would fry his chicken snake in short order.

As an aside, why does JeffR have only 333 posts, yet has accumulated 3669 points?

I have 2132 stinking posts, yet only 3023 points.

I want my money back!

Going to clean the bugs off my windscreen, radiator, and fork tubes after last night's ride.

Oh, and Mrs. Bigbird wants me to put the kitchen compost in the bin.

This sounds like a bloody blog already.

bigbird wrote:

JeffR_ wrote:

What exactly got him mad?

It was the fact that he heard Grinsel rides with no underwear on hot summer days.

That would fry his chicken snake in short order.

If Mr Grinsel moved to Hollywood, California to escape the dirty bathrooms and bad food of Tennessee, they could nickname it "Grinsel town"!

(Ok, I'm bored so I think I will whack the hornet's nest with a stick)

Bigbird:

What if the points are assigned based on the perceived value of the post rather than the sheer number of posts? Quality vs Quantity???



(ducking and heading for my "safe place")

The Scootist wrote:

(Ok, I'm bored so I think I will whack the hornet's nest with a stick)

Bigbird:

What if the points are assigned based on the perceived value of the post rather than the sheer number of posts? Quality vs Quantity???

OK, I'll bite. What if?

This may be the answer to your aside:

" As an aside, why does JeffR have only 333 posts, yet has accumulated 3669 points?

I have 2132 stinking posts, yet only 3023 points."

bigbird wrote:

As an aside, why does JeffR have only 333 posts, yet has accumulated 3669 points?

I have 2132 stinking posts, yet only 3023 points.

I want my money back!

We have calculated the value of your membership and will remit same. Please send all pertinent banking information (account # and PIN) so we can can send your two cents minus administration fees.

When I handed this site over to Bill, I had about 1700 posts on my old nick which was "JeffR". He gave me a new nick "JeffR_" so my old posts wouldn't go away. If my "JeffR" account would have been deleted than all my posts would have been deleted too.

So now I get a fat paycheck every month for all of my points. I am thinking of opening up my own "Chicken Fried Steak All-u-can-eat Buffett" now. Y'all come and get now...ya hear !!!

The Scootist wrote:

This may be the answer to your aside:

" As an aside, why does JeffR have only 333 posts, yet has accumulated 3669 points?

I have 2132 stinking posts, yet only 3023 points."

Your intonation is that my posts are of no value to you.
Fair enough.
You can't please all of the people all of the time.

"Hi Yo" wrote:

we can can send your two cents minus administration fees.

More than enough to buy a Texas chicken fried steak.

Hey "HiYo",

Who is this Bigbird guy you keep mentioning? Is he a new member? Oh yeah, he is the guy with 'racing slick' on the back of his bike.

model28a wrote:

I used to only come to this forum to learn about the Silverwing. Now I also come for the entertainment. It's good to know that I'm not the only one who has chosen not to grow up. :clown:
It is sad though that some run away when they don't like the game. :( If I don't like the game I just stop playing and come back for the next one if I like it.

If i dont like the game, well, i cheat.
Like throwing a wrench in a topic, just to hear the response.

JeffR_ wrote:

Hey "HiYo",

Who is this Bigbird guy you keep mentioning? Is he a new member? Oh yeah, he is the guy with 'racing slick' on the back of his bike. :|

I didnt think Canada had birds? just water, and Walleye.

There's only enough room in this country for one BigBird.
We placed him right smack in the middle so everyone could share him.
He is a national treasure

Did I hear someone mention Pnuemant tyres?

A riddle for you all

How can you make a stock std Subaru Brumby (Brat USA) drift like what the super high powered yokels drive in Nippon?
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with a set of YAHOOOOO Pnuemants wooo hoo and wow You can really drift into the real darkside with those slickers.

You mean Pneumants, they were the OE tyres on East German MZ two strokes, I didn't find them too bad and usually got about 8500 out of a rear tyre. Since 1994 the same company which has a factory in Dresden had made motorcycle tyres using the brand name Heidenau.